[ngw] Looking for advice on Outlook 2007 on GW8

Sat Apr 10 19:36:59 UTC 2010

I have to admit we had pretty good success with that at work - it made  
the whole migration to Exchange just stupid, in the face of increasing  
budget shortages. Best I can suggest is to try it out. Let them know  
you're responsive to the problems, maybe do some of the test setup  
gratis (and point it out). Best part is they have to have both clients  
installed and once you have the archiving solution in place so  
the .PST files and groupwise archives are gone they can use the client  
of their own choice, so long as they understand it's not officially  
supported.

Randy Grein

On Apr 10, 2010, at 12:13 PM, James Taylor wrote:

> I recognize that, and that's something I can deal with.  I don't  
> intend to leave the mail in pst files in any case, if I can help it.
> My biggest problem is determining whether to make the effort to try  
> to make OL2007 work with GroupWise, given my client's inability to  
> deal with whatever differences there may be.
> -jt
>
>>>> Randy Grein <randygrein at comcast.net> 4/10/2010  02:25 PM >>>
> Worst part is there isn't a solid 'limit' you can point at, so clients
> will argue. "But it works, so why can't I?" or some variant thereof.
> Randy Grein
>
> On Apr 10, 2010, at 10:50 AM, Gert wrote:
>
>> Yep,
>>
>> didn't notice the size issue for the PST... this is even a
>> recommendation by Microsoft, not Novell...
>>
>> Gert
>>
>> Novell Knowledge Partner
>>
>> Owner, independent consultant
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>> How come, when my wife says
>> "we need to talk", it is never
>> about Drupal? ;-) - Dries Buytaert
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Randy Grein
>> <randygrein at comcast.net> wrote:
>> I suspect part of your problem is the PST file - 17 GB is 10 times
>> recommended maximum, and it will have performance and reliability
>> problems regardless. In fact, I'm surprised it runs at all. It should
>> crash and corrupt on a regular basis.
>>
>> If it were my client I'd split the single archive into 4 or 5 before
>> continuing. Make sure you have a backup of course, THEN work on an
>> archiving system.
>>
>> Randy Grein
>>
>> On Apr 9, 2010, at 1:21 PM, James Taylor wrote:
>>
>>> I did try that, and there were too many issues with it and the other
>>> tools I tried, and I believe tried most, if not all, of them.
>>> The amount of mail and the windows workstation resource limitations
>>> have been a huge challenge.
>>> I suspect this would have been a lot easier if I had been migrating
>>> the mail directly from an Exchange server rather than pst files.
>>>
>>> I am also looking for an archive solution that I can migrate to from
>>> the PS files and will allow easy searching of old mail and,
>>> preferably, web access.
>>>
>>> -jt
>>>
>>>
>>> James Taylor
>>> The East Cobb Group, Inc.
>>> 678-697-9420
>>> james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
>>> http://www.eastcobbgroup.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Gert <gwcheck at gmail.com> 4/9/2010  03:36 PM >>>
>>> Tried http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=WtXxReRacnE~ ?
>>> http://www.advansyscorp.com/
>> formativ_personal_outlook_migration.htm ?
>>>
>>> Gert
>>>
>>> Novell Knowledge Partner
>>>
>>> Owner, independent consultant
>>> www.GWCheck.com
>>> "the best GW site" - Tay Kratzer
>>>
>>> gert at gwcheck.com
>>> Skype, Twitter, Facebook: GWCheck
>>>
>>> How come, when my wife says
>>> "we need to talk", it is never
>>> about Drupal? ;-) - Dries Buytaert
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:32 PM, James Taylor <James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> First, let me get this out of the way...
>>>> I am fully aware of Novell's non-support of Outlook 2007 as a
>>>> GroupWise
>>>> client, so I don't need to be informed about that. Novell support
>>>> is not an
>>>> issue.  Practical usage is all I care about.
>>>>
>>>> I have a very small, very high maintenance client that I have
>>>> migrated from
>>>> an ISP based mail using Outlook as a mail client.
>>>> Their legacy mail consists of a main outlook pst file of about 7GB,
>>>> and an
>>>> archive pst of about 17GB.  Lots and lots of folders.
>>>> Also, the contacts have a lot of notes, and many of them are
>> actually
>>>> references to legal case files. (Trying to use OL contacts as a
>>>> CRM...)
>>>> I have tried a number of ways of importing the mail into GroupWise,
>>>> and all
>>>> of them have been slow and usually blow up regularly.  I have
>> finally
>>>> resorted to opening Outlook with a GW profile, connecting the pst
>> and
>>>> copying folder by folder.
>>>>
>>>> This process has been going on for several months, and the client
>>>> has been
>>>> very frustrated.  The change in the mail interface, combined with
>> the
>>>> never-ending task of trying to import and organize the mail has led
>>>> to the
>>>> plea to return to Outlook.  I don't think this is the best course,
>>>> but
>>>> trying to continue to push the point is fruitless, so I need a
>>>> solution that
>>>> doesn't involve trashing GW on the backend.
>>>>
>>>> Here's the requirements:
>>>> I need for Outlook 2007 to work reasonably quickly, share calendars
>>>> and
>>>> contacts with two other users, have full access to proxies and and
>>>> have the
>>>> address lookups and auto completes work properly.
>>>>
>>>> I also need the principal user to be able to sync her iPhone.
>>>>
>>>> Is this feasible, or do I need to look at alternative mail systems
>>>> for a
>>>> backend?
>>>>
>>>> -jt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> James Taylor
>>>> The East Cobb Group, Inc.
>>>> 678-697-9420
>>>> james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
>>>> http://www.eastcobbgroup.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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