[ngw] Undeliverable Notifications

Paul Lamontagne plamontagne at novell.com
Sat Dec 21 14:12:28 UTC 2013


Vince, 
 
Correct, 
 
20, 20, 20, 120 then max 5 hours
 
3 tries first hour and then 2 more tries every 2 hours and then it send the undeliverable.

--Paul
 
 
 


I do 20, 20, 20, 120.  I think I used the intervals from GMail.  I have seen a couple greylisting responses from smaller systems.  I believe RFC 2821 says the interval SHOULD be 30 minutes.
I turned on the Transfer Delayed message this year as well.  At first it confused people because the language "Transferred Delayed" is a little confusing, but overall I would say response has been positive.
Jeff
 
>>> 
 
Paul:
So, my retry intervals are:  20, 20, 20 240, with a maximum # hours at 96.
 
How would you adjust that:   20, 20, 20, 240, with a maximum # at 240?
 
That would retry 3 times in the first hour, then once more in 4 hours, then
send back an underliverable?
 
 
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Paul Lamontagne <plamontagne at novell.com>wrote:
 
> Correct Delay status messages only started in GW 8.
>
> In today's world 4 days is way to long . I typically set the total delay
> to no than 5 hours. That way If I send an email early in the day I know by
> the afternoon it has not gone, and if I send in the afternoon I know they
> next morning. This way Alternate action can be taken in a timely manner.
>
> --Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> OK - not available in version 7
> Thanks
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Danita Zanre <danita at caledonia.net>
> wrote:
>
> > No - that's not it.  That just sets how long the GWIA will keep a
> delivery
> > status request for an outbound message (i.e., showing "delivered" in your
> > sent items folder for SMTP mail).
> >
> > This would be on the first SMTP/MIME settings screen - it would say
> > "Return notification to sender when a message is delayed".  I'm old and
> > grey and can't remember when this started, but it may very well be that
> it
> > wasn't available in GW 7.
> >
> > Danita
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 19, 2013, at 9:43 AM, Vince Chiarelli <vincechiarelli at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > May have found it:
> > > ESMTP - Delivery Status Notification curryently set to 4 days.
> > > Is this the setting I would change to enable the "retrying" message?
> > > How often would the "retry" message be delivered to the sender -
> > presumably
> > > every time the system retries?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Vince Chiarelli
> > > <vincechiarelli at gmail.com>wrote:
> > >
> > >> Danita:
> > >>
> > >> I don't see the option to receive the "retrying" message - we're still
> > on
> > >> ver 7 - perhaps it wasn't available then?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Danita Zanre <danita at caledonia.net
> > >wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> If you have it set up though, the sender will at least receive the
> > >>> "retrying" messages so s/he knows the message is not yet delivered.
> > >>>
> > >>> Danita
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Dec 19, 2013, at 8:17 AM, "JOSHUA PITLICK" <
> JOSHUA.PITLICK at EEOC.GOV
> > >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> The sender doesn't get a failure notice until the end of the retry
> > >>> cycle.  The Sent Item will continue to show Pending.  You're right
> > that you
> > >>> setting is the default.  It was suggested in a Brainshare session
> > several
> > >>> years ago to shorten the final retry timeout to 2 days, as it is
> > unlikely
> > >>> that the message will go through after the initial attempts and 4
> days
> > is
> > >>> too long to wait.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Joshua Pitlick
> > >>>> Senior Network Engineer
> > >>>> Office of Information Technology
> > >>>> U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>>> Vince Chiarelli <vincechiarelli at gmail.com> 12/19/2013 9:43 AM
> >>>
> > >>>> GW7
> > >>>> Our undeliverable retries are currently set to 20, 20, 20, 240 (for
> 4
> > >>> days).
> > >>>> I believe this is default.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> When does the sender get a notification that mail is undeliverable -
> > ie:
> > >>>> 421 service unavailable?
> > >>>> Is it on the first attempt to deliver the message or at the end of
> the
> > >>>> retry cycle.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Vince Chiarelli
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