[ngw] Antw: GW in Vm environment

Wed Jul 5 13:40:04 UTC 2017

What about snapshots on hosts that are not vmware like KVM?

>>> Joseph Marton <jmmarton at gmail.com> 7/5/2017 6:35 AM >>>
If you use the process of stopping the agents right before the snapshot
is
taken and starting them up right after, then you have a good backup of
the
GW databases within the snapshot.  You can still use dbcopy to create a
GW
restore area, but you won't need the additional copy simply to insure
you
have a good, consistent backup.

Joe

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 5:09 AM, Thomas Stimper <tstimper at nmedv.de>
wrote:

> >I would not use independent disks at all.
>
> Agree. We normaly use snapshot backups for GroupWise vm's.
>
> But we always make a second backup by dbcopy and we use this as
restore
> area.
> So we always have a good baclup of the GroupWise db's itself.
>
> Thomas
>
> Thomas Stimper
>
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> >>> Joseph Marton <jmmarton at gmail.com> 04.07.2017 17:56 >>>
> I would not use independent disks at all.
>
> Joe
>
> On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Gregg A. Hinchman <
> Gregg at hinchmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I assume you mean they do not want to do Independent/Persistent
> right
> > Joe?  They would not want to do Dependent.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Take Care.
> >
> > Gregg A. Hinchman, PMP
> >
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> >
> >
> > "Courage is doing what is right."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >>>
> > From: Joseph Marton<jmmarton at gmail.com>
> > To:NGWList<ngw at ngwlist.com>
> > Date: 7/4/2017 11:00 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ngw] Antw: GW in Vm environment
> >
> >
> > You probably don't want to do independent disks.  Those disks
aren't
> >
> > included in snapshots, and snapshots are useful for many things
such
> as
> >
> > preparing for upgrades or even for regular backups.  Keep in mind
I
> work
> >
> > for Veeam, but regardless, there are various backup solutions
which
> use
> >
> > VMware snapshots.  That shouldn't be a concern for things such as
GW
> or
> >
> > eDir as there are ways to address these applications, such as
> shutting down
> >
> > the POA before taking the snapshot and firing it back up as soon
as
> the
> >
> > snapshot is taken.  I actually wrote about this in a Cool
Solutions
> article
> >
> > a little ways back.
> >
> >
> >
> > https://www.novell.com/communities/coolsolutions/

> > veeam-adds-oes-2015-support/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 6:19 AM, Thys de Beer <Thys at nwpg.gov.za>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > HI Thomas,
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Thanx ... so you say no Independent? , not for OS nor for gw
data
> >
> > > disk?... not planning to restore VM, but one never knows right,
but
> i
> >
> > > can't think it will be days before i restore if i ever do?.. but
> will
> >
> > > this always be an issue even few hours donw the line
> >
> > >
> >
> > > That's why i wondered because i see that for  Independant -
> Persistent
> >
> > > disk changes are immediate and written to disk, and they are not
> >
> > > effected by snaphosts?..
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I want to have this right, don't want to hear
afterwards...oooooo
> shoot
> >
> > > you should have done this or that on the disks...
> >
> > >
> >
> > > 10% on the read cache .. so on my 1.2tb po data disk i do
> 120gb?...
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Kind Regards,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Thys de Beer
> >
> > > NWPG Office of the Premier
> >
> > > GITO: Infrastructure
> >
> > > Deputy Dir: Server Administration
> > > http://www.waytag.com/!ThysdeBeer.tag

> >
> >
> >
> > > 018 388 3828
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >>> "Thomas Stimper" <tstimper at nmedv.de> 2017/07/04 12:40 PM >>>
> >
> > > Hi Thys,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >1. Disks should i do "Independent" / "Independent -Persistent"
or
> >
> > > "Independent - Non-Persistent" .. sorry about this i just want
to
> be
> >
> > > sure .. heard horrible things about snaphosts and edir
> >
> > > do not do any Independent, but i would not put e eDir replica on
> this
> >
> > > servers if you plan to restore the VM from days ago.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >2. Then also it t
> alks about  "Sharing"?  ... "no=sharing" or
> >
> > > "multi-writer" or " unspecified"  this is all new.. remember
this
> is
> >
> > > in
> >
> > > a vSAN all flash setup for storage..if it matters....
> >
> > > No sharing, if you do not want to build a OES cluster whithin
> Vmware
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >3. "Virtual flash read Cache"? .. do i enable? and how big do i
> make
> >
> > > this? 4Gb 8GB 10 or nothing?..
> >
> > > yes, enable, i  configure 10% of the actual data on the VMdisk.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Best regards
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Thomas
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Thomas Stimper
> >
> > >
> >
> > > MCNE
> >
> > > Micro Focus Premier Solution Partner
> >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> > > neue medien edv-systeme gmbh
> >
> > > Zwickauer Str. 224
> >
> > > 09116 Chemnitz
> >
> > > Germany
> >
> > > Email tstimper at nmedv.de
> >
> > > Tel. +49 371 8448890
> >
> > > Fax +49 371 8448891
> >
> > > Amtsgericht Chemnitz, HRB 12552
> >
> > > Geschäftsführer: Thomas Stimper
> >
> > > USt.ID DE176096756
> >
> > > www.nmedv.de
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >>> "Thys de Beer" <Thys at nwpg.gov.za> 04.07.2017 09:58 >>>
> >
> > > HI All,
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Ok we have a new vce/dell vxrail setup, vsan the whole thing ..
so
> now
> >
> > > my first time for GW and oes/edir for that matter .. when i try
to
> >
> > > create here are some new questions (not had this before on my
> small
> >
> > > esxi
> >
> > > hosts before ..what do i select?for now gw2012, will upgrade to
> gw2014
> >
> > > once on new solution
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > A few questions on VM creations... vCentre  vxrails ..... and
this
> an
> >
> > > All flash solution,,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > For my normal OES/Linux boxes .. i know filr specify some these
> >
> > > following questions but for my sles/oes/gw boxes what do i do?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > 1. Disks should i do "Independent" / "Independent -Persistent"
or
> >
> > > "Independent - Non-Persistent" .. sorry about this i just want
to
> be
> >
> > > sure .. heard horrible things about snaphosts and edir
> >
> > >
> >
> > > 2. Then also it talks about  "Sharing"?  ... "no=sharing" or
> >
> > > "multi-writer" or " unspecified"  this is all new.. remember
this
> is
> >
> > > in
> >
> > > a vSAN all flash setup for storage..if it matters....
> >
> > >
> >
> > > 3. "Virtual flash read Cache"? .. do i enable? and how big do i
> make
> >
> > > this? 4Gb 8GB 10 or nothing?..
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Kind Regards,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Thys de Beer
> >
> > > NWPG Office of the Premier
> >
> > > GITO: Infrastructure
> >
> > > Deputy Dir: Server Administration
> > > http://www.waytag.com/!ThysdeBeer.tag

> >
> >
> >
> > > 018 388 3828
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