[ngw] Antw: GW in Vm environment
Joseph Marton
jmmarton at gmail.com
Wed Jul 5 13:44:09 UTC 2017
Migrate to VMware. :-) Seriously, though, I can't speak to other
hypervisors. I'm not sure if Hyper-V, KVM, Xen, etc have something similar
to VMware's independent disks.
Joe
On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 8:40 AM, Stephen Hesser <shesser at arandpartners.com>
wrote:
> What about snapshots on hosts that are not vmware like KVM?
>
> >>> Joseph Marton <jmmarton at gmail.com> 7/5/2017 6:35 AM >>>
> If you use the process of stopping the agents right before the snapshot
> is
> taken and starting them up right after, then you have a good backup of
> the
> GW databases within the snapshot. You can still use dbcopy to create a
> GW
> restore area, but you won't need the additional copy simply to insure
> you
> have a good, consistent backup.
>
> Joe
>
> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 5:09 AM, Thomas Stimper <tstimper at nmedv.de>
> wrote:
>
> > >I would not use independent disks at all.
> >
> > Agree. We normaly use snapshot backups for GroupWise vm's.
> >
> > But we always make a second backup by dbcopy and we use this as
> restore
> > area.
> > So we always have a good baclup of the GroupWise db's itself.
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> > Thomas Stimper
> >
> > MCNE
> > Micro Focus Premier Solution Partner
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> >
> > >>> Joseph Marton <jmmarton at gmail.com> 04.07.2017 17:56 >>>
> > I would not use independent disks at all.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Gregg A. Hinchman <
> > Gregg at hinchmanconsulting.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I assume you mean they do not want to do Independent/Persistent
> > right
> > > Joe? They would not want to do Dependent.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Take Care.
> > >
> > > Gregg A. Hinchman, PMP
> > >
> > > Salesforce Certified Administrator
> > >
> > > Salesforce Certified App Builder
> > >
> > > Salesforce Certified Advanced Administrator
> > >
> > >
> > > Gregg at HinchmanConsulting.com
> > >
> > > www.HinchmanConsulting.com
> > >
> > > 765.653.8099
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Courage is doing what is right."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >>>
> > > From: Joseph Marton<jmmarton at gmail.com>
> > > To:NGWList<ngw at ngwlist.com>
> > > Date: 7/4/2017 11:00 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [ngw] Antw: GW in Vm environment
> > >
> > >
> > > You probably don't want to do independent disks. Those disks
> aren't
> > >
> > > included in snapshots, and snapshots are useful for many things
> such
> > as
> > >
> > > preparing for upgrades or even for regular backups. Keep in mind
> I
> > work
> > >
> > > for Veeam, but regardless, there are various backup solutions
> which
> > use
> > >
> > > VMware snapshots. That shouldn't be a concern for things such as
> GW
> > or
> > >
> > > eDir as there are ways to address these applications, such as
> > shutting down
> > >
> > > the POA before taking the snapshot and firing it back up as soon
> as
> > the
> > >
> > > snapshot is taken. I actually wrote about this in a Cool
> Solutions
> > article
> > >
> > > a little ways back.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > https://www.novell.com/communities/coolsolutions/
>
> > > veeam-adds-oes-2015-support/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 6:19 AM, Thys de Beer <Thys at nwpg.gov.za>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > HI Thomas,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Thanx ... so you say no Independent? , not for OS nor for gw
> data
> > >
> > > > disk?... not planning to restore VM, but one never knows right,
> but
> > i
> > >
> > > > can't think it will be days before i restore if i ever do?.. but
> > will
> > >
> > > > this always be an issue even few hours donw the line
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > That's why i wondered because i see that for Independant -
> > Persistent
> > >
> > > > disk changes are immediate and written to disk, and they are not
> > >
> > > > effected by snaphosts?..
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > I want to have this right, don't want to hear
> afterwards...oooooo
> > shoot
> > >
> > > > you should have done this or that on the disks...
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > 10% on the read cache .. so on my 1.2tb po data disk i do
> > 120gb?...
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Kind Regards,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Thys de Beer
> > >
> > > > NWPG Office of the Premier
> > >
> > > > GITO: Infrastructure
> > >
> > > > Deputy Dir: Server Administration
> > > > http://www.waytag.com/!ThysdeBeer.tag
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 018 388 3828
> > >
> > > > ------------------
> > >
> > > > Novell -- CNE
> > >
> > > > Microsoft -- MCITP- Enterprise Administrator
> > >
> > > > Microsoft -- MCSE- Private Cloud
> > >
> > > > Vmware -- VCP5
> > >
> > > > Cobit5
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >>> "Thomas Stimper" <tstimper at nmedv.de> 2017/07/04 12:40 PM >>>
> > >
> > > > Hi Thys,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >1. Disks should i do "Independent" / "Independent -Persistent"
> or
> > >
> > > > "Independent - Non-Persistent" .. sorry about this i just want
> to
> > be
> > >
> > > > sure .. heard horrible things about snaphosts and edir
> > >
> > > > do not do any Independent, but i would not put e eDir replica on
> > this
> > >
> > > > servers if you plan to restore the VM from days ago.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >2. Then also it t
> > alks about "Sharing"? ... "no=sharing" or
> > >
> > > > "multi-writer" or " unspecified" this is all new.. remember
> this
> > is
> > >
> > > > in
> > >
> > > > a vSAN all flash setup for storage..if it matters....
> > >
> > > > No sharing, if you do not want to build a OES cluster whithin
> > Vmware
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >3. "Virtual flash read Cache"? .. do i enable? and how big do i
> > make
> > >
> > > > this? 4Gb 8GB 10 or nothing?..
> > >
> > > > yes, enable, i configure 10% of the actual data on the VMdisk.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Best regards
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Thomas
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Thomas Stimper
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > MCNE
> > >
> > > > Micro Focus Premier Solution Partner
> > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > > neue medien edv-systeme gmbh
> > >
> > > > Zwickauer Str. 224
> > >
> > > > 09116 Chemnitz
> > >
> > > > Germany
> > >
> > > > Email tstimper at nmedv.de
> > >
> > > > Tel. +49 371 8448890
> > >
> > > > Fax +49 371 8448891
> > >
> > > > Amtsgericht Chemnitz, HRB 12552
> > >
> > > > Geschäftsführer: Thomas Stimper
> > >
> > > > USt.ID DE176096756
> > >
> > > > www.nmedv.de
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >>> "Thys de Beer" <Thys at nwpg.gov.za> 04.07.2017 09:58 >>>
> > >
> > > > HI All,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Ok we have a new vce/dell vxrail setup, vsan the whole thing ..
> so
> > now
> > >
> > > > my first time for GW and oes/edir for that matter .. when i try
> to
> > >
> > > > create here are some new questions (not had this before on my
> > small
> > >
> > > > esxi
> > >
> > > > hosts before ..what do i select?for now gw2012, will upgrade to
> > gw2014
> > >
> > > > once on new solution
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > A few questions on VM creations... vCentre vxrails ..... and
> this
> > an
> > >
> > > > All flash solution,,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > For my normal OES/Linux boxes .. i know filr specify some these
> > >
> > > > following questions but for my sles/oes/gw boxes what do i do?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > 1. Disks should i do "Independent" / "Independent -Persistent"
> or
> > >
> > > > "Independent - Non-Persistent" .. sorry about this i just want
> to
> > be
> > >
> > > > sure .. heard horrible things about snaphosts and edir
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > 2. Then also it talks about "Sharing"? ... "no=sharing" or
> > >
> > > > "multi-writer" or " unspecified" this is all new.. remember
> this
> > is
> > >
> > > > in
> > >
> > > > a vSAN all flash setup for storage..if it matters....
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > 3. "Virtual flash read Cache"? .. do i enable? and how big do i
> > make
> > >
> > > > this? 4Gb 8GB 10 or nothing?..
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Kind Regards,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Thys de Beer
> > >
> > > > NWPG Office of the Premier
> > >
> > > > GITO: Infrastructure
> > >
> > > > Deputy Dir: Server Administration
> > > > http://www.waytag.com/!ThysdeBeer.tag
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 018 388 3828
> > >
> > > > ------------------
> > >
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> > >
> > > > Microsoft -- MCITP- Enterprise Administrator
> > >
> > > > Microsoft -- MCSE- Private Cloud
> > >
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> > >
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