[ngw] Antw: GW in Vm environment

Wed Jul 5 18:30:45 UTC 2017

I concur with Joe's statement.

>>> Joseph Marton <jmmarton at gmail.com> 7/5/2017 11:31 AM >>>
That's not exactly accurate.  Take a look at my CS article. :-)

https://www.novell.com/communities/coolsolutions/veeam-adds-oes-2015-support/

A traditional Veeam backup stops the agents as part of a pre-freeze
script
which happens when the VMware snapshot is created.  Then the agents
are
started as part of a post-thaw script which happens as soon as the
snapshot
creation is finished.  There's no need to keep the agents down during
the
backup.  The agents instead are down for only as long as it takes to
create
a snapshot which is what, maybe 30 seconds max?  Users shouldn't ever
notice much of anything.

I actually ran this strategy by a former colleague who is still at
Micro
Focus and I believe also subscribes to the ngwlist.  Hopefully he'll
see
this and chime in. :-) But he said he knows of many GW customers who
went
to this sort of strategy after virtualizing GW.

Joe

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Thomas Stimper <tstimper at nmedv.de>
wrote:

>
> Agree, if i had storage integrated Veeam snapshoots which takes only
> some seconds
> than its ok to stop the agents for the time of the snapshoot. Users
> will not see
> any downtime.
>
> If i had "normal" snapshots than the agents would be down for at
least
> the time which
> it takes to backup the ctk file of the vm which can be minutes or
> hours.
> For such an enviroment the agents cannot be taken down. Thats why i
do
> a second dbcopy
> backup.
>
> (or use SEP sesam or other backup software which can do a TSA
related
> backup)
>
> Thomas
>
> Thomas Stimper
>
> MCNE
> Micro Focus Premier Solution Partner
> ---------------------------------------------------
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>
> >>> Joseph Marton <jmmarton at gmail.com> 05.07.2017 13:35 >>>
> If you use the process of stopping the agents right before the
snapshot
> is
> taken and starting them up right after, then you have a good backup
of
> the
> GW databases within the snapshot.  You can still use dbcopy to create
a
> GW
> restore area, but you won't need the additional copy simply to
insure
> you
> have a good, consistent backup.
>
> Joe
>
> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 5:09 AM, Thomas Stimper <tstimper at nmedv.de>
> wrote:
>
> > >I would not use independent disks at all.
> >
> > Agree. We normaly use snapshot backups for GroupWise vm's.
> >
> > But we always make a second backup by dbcopy and we use this as
> restore
> > area.
> > So we always have a good baclup of the GroupWise db's itself.
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> > Thomas Stimper
> >
> > MCNE
> > Micro Focus Premier Solution Partner
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> > neue medien edv-systeme gmbh
> > Zwickauer Str. 224
> > 09116 Chemnitz
> > Germany
> > Email tstimper at nmedv.de
> > Tel. +49 371 8448890
> > Fax +49 371 8448891
> > Amtsgericht Chemnitz, HRB 12552
> > Geschäftsführer: Thomas Stimper
> > USt.ID DE176096756
> > www.nmedv.de
> >
> >
> > >>> Joseph Marton <jmmarton at gmail.com> 04.07.2017 17:56 >>>
> > I would not use independent disks at all.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Gregg A. Hinchman <
> > Gregg at hinchmanconsulting.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I assume you mean they do not want to do Independent/Persistent
> > right
> > > Joe?  They would not want to do Dependent.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Take Care.
> > >
> > > Gregg A. Hinchman, PMP
> > >
> > > Salesforce Certified Administrator
> > >
> > > Salesforce Certified App Builder
> > >
> > > Salesforce Certified Advanced Administrator
> > >
> > >
> > > Gregg at HinchmanConsulting.com
> > >
> > > www.HinchmanConsulting.com
> > >
> > > 765.653.8099
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Courage is doing what is right."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >>>
> > > From: Joseph Marton<jmmarton at gmail.com>
> > > To:NGWList<ngw at ngwlist.com>
> > > Date: 7/4/2017 11:00 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [ngw] Antw: GW in Vm environment
> > >
> > >
> > > You probably don't want to do independent disks.  Those disks
> aren't
> > >
> > > included in snapshots, and snapshots are useful for many things
> such
> > as
> > >
> > > preparing for upgrades or even for regular backups.  Keep in
mind
> I
> > work
> > >
> > > for Veeam, but regardless, there are various backup solutions
> which
> > use
> > >
> > > VMware snapshots.  That shouldn't be a concern for things such
as
> GW
> > or
> > >
> > > eDir as there are ways to address these applications, such as
> > shutting down
> > >
> > > the POA before taking the snapshot and firing it back up as soon
> as
> > the
> > >
> > > snapshot is taken.  I actually wrote about this in a Cool
> Solutions
> > article
> > >
> > > a little ways back.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > https://www.novell.com/communities/coolsolutions/

> > > veeam-adds-oes-2015-support/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 6:19 AM, Thys de Beer <Thys at nwpg.gov.za>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > HI Thomas,
> > >
> > > >
>
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Thanx ... so you say no Independent? , not for OS nor for gw
> data
> > >
> > > > disk?... not planning to restore VM, but one never knows
right,
> but
> > i
> > >
> > > > can't think it will be days before i restore if i ever do?..
but
> > will
> > >
> > > > this always be an issue even few hours donw the line
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > That's why i wondered because i see that for  Independant -
> > Persistent
> > >
> > > > disk changes are immediate and written to disk, and they are
not
> > >
> > > > effected by snaphosts?..
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > I want to have this right, don't want to hear
> afterwards...oooooo
> > shoot
> > >
> > > > you should have done this or that on the disks...
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > 10% on the read cache .. so on my 1.2tb po data disk i do
> > 120gb?...
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Kind Regards,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Thys de Beer
> > >
> > > > NWPG Office of the Premier
> > >
> > > > GITO: Infrastructure
> > >
> > > > Deputy Dir: Server Administration
> > > > http://www.waytag.com/!ThysdeBeer.tag

> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 018 388 3828
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
> > > > Cobit5
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >>> "Thomas Stimper" <tstimper at nmedv.de> 2017/07/04 12:40 PM
>>>
> > >
> > > > Hi Thys,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >1. Disks should i do "Independent" / "Independent
-Persistent"
> or
> > >
> > > > "Independent - Non-Persistent" .. sorry about this i just want
> to
> > be
> > >
> > > > sure .. heard horrible things about snaphosts and edir
> > >
> > > > do not do any Independent, but i would not put e eDir replica
on
> > this
> > >
> > > > servers if you plan to restore the VM from days ago.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >2. Then also it t
> > alks about  "Sharing"?  ... "no=sharing" or
> > >
> > > > "multi-writer" or " unspecified"  this is all new.. remember
> this
> > is
> > >
> > > > in
> > >
> > > > a vSAN all flash setup for storage..if it matters....
> > >
> > > > No sharing, if you do not want to build a OES cluster whithin
> > Vmware
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >3. "Virtual flash read Cache"? .. do i enable? and how big do
i
> > make
> > >
> > > > this? 4Gb 8GB 10 or nothing?..
> > >
> > > > yes, enable, i  configure 10% of the actual data on the
VMdisk.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Best regards
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Thomas
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Thomas Stimper
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > MCNE
> > >
> > > > Micro Focus Premier Solution Partner
> > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > > neue medien edv-systeme gmbh
> > >
> > > > Zwickauer Str. 224
> > >
> > > > 09116 Chemnitz
> > >
> > > > Germany
> > >
> > > > Email tstimper at nmedv.de
> > >
> > > > Tel. +49 371 8448890
> > >
> > > > Fax +49 371 8448891
> > >
> > > > Amtsgericht Chemnitz, HRB 12552
> > >
> > > > Geschäftsführer: Thomas Stimper
> > >
> > > > USt.ID DE176096756
> > >
> > > > www.nmedv.de
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >>> "Thys de Beer" <Thys at nwpg.gov.za> 04.07.2017 09:58 >>>
> > >
> > > > HI All,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Ok we have a new vce/dell vxrail setup, vsan the whole thing
..
> so
> > now
> > >
> > > > my first time for GW and oes/edir for that matter .. when i
try
> to
> > >
> > > > create here are some new questions (not had this before on my
> > small
> > >
> > > > esxi
> > >
> > > > hosts before ..what do i select?for now gw2012, will upgrade
to
> > gw2014
> > >
> > > > once on new solution
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > A few questions on VM creations... vCentre  vxrails ..... and
> this
> > an
> > >
> > > > All flash solution,,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > For my normal OES/Linux boxes .. i know filr specify some
these
> > >
> > > > following questions but for my sles/oes/gw boxes what do i do?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > 1. Disks should i do "Independent" / "Independent -Persistent"
> or
> > >
> > > > "Independent - Non-Persistent" .. sorry about this i just want
> to
> > be
> > >
> > > > sure .. heard horrible things about snaphosts and edir
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > > 2. Then also it talks about  "Sharing"?  ... "no=sharing" or
> > >
> > > > "multi-writer" or " unspecified"  this is all new.. remember
> this
> > is
> > >
> > > > in
> > >
> > > > a vSAN all flash setup for storage..if it matters....
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > 3. "Virtual flash read Cache"? .. do i enable? and how big do
i
> > make
> > >
> > > > this? 4Gb 8GB 10 or nothing?..
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Kind Regards,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Thys de Beer
> > >
> > > > NWPG Office of the Premier
> > >
> > > > GITO: Infrastructure
> > >
> > > > Deputy Dir: Server Administration
> > > > http://www.waytag.com/!ThysdeBeer.tag

> > >
> > >
> > >
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