[ngw] Upgrade from 2014R2 to 2014R2 SP2, Admin console requiresserver IP

Rhonda Richardson kc0izr at gmail.com
Thu Jun 1 14:07:42 UTC 2017


In my case, it was not checked (nor is it now).

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Pam Robello <pkrobello at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Hey there,
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> Sorry for coming late to the party but it's been a busy few days.  Do you
> have the Bind Exclusive box checked?  If so, uncheck it and see if you can
> then access the admin console either via the IP address or the DNS name
> again.
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> Pam
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> >>> Rhonda Richardson<kc0izr at gmail.com> 5/31/2017 9:23 AM >>>
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> No, in the Agent settings of the MTA, the TCP/IP Address was the IP
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> address.  With GroupWise 2014R2 (no sp) I could address the admin console
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> by name or IP and successfully log in, however, after the upgrade to SP2, I
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> was no longer able to log into the admin console when addressed by name,
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> only by IP address.
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> I changed the TCP/IP Address in the MTA to be the DNS name of the server
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> and I am no able to log into the admin console no matter how I address the
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> site again.
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> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 6:48 AM, Stephen Hesser <shesser at arandpartners.com
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> wrote:
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> > So the network settings changed from the dns entry to an ip address
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> > after the upgrade?
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> > Sent from my iPad
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> > > On May 30, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Rhonda Richardson <kc0izr at gmail.com>
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> > wrote:
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> > > Not that I saw when I read through it. Although, to be fair, my
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> > production
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> > > is set up with DNS names and I wouldn't have hit this had I not gone
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> > to my
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> > > test.  My test system is still new, so I don't have it configured
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> > 'just
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> > > like' production.
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> > > Rhonda
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> > > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Gregg A. Hinchman <
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> > > Gregg at hinchmanconsulting.com> wrote:
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> > >> Great to hear!  Now we know there is a new mandatory feature in sp2.
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> > I
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> > >> wonder if its noted in the Readme?
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> > >> Take Care.
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> > >> Gregg A. Hinchman, PMP
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> > >>
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> > >> Salesforce Certified Administrator
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> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >> Gregg at HinchmanConsulting.com
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> > >>
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> > >> www.HinchmanConsulting.com
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> > >>
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> > >> 765.653.8099
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> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >> "Courage is doing what is right."
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> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >>>>>
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> > >> From: Rhonda Richardson<kc0izr at gmail.com>
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> > >> To:NGWList<ngw at ngwlist.com>
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> > >> Date: 5/30/2017 12:18 PM
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> > >> Subject: Re: [ngw] Upgrade from 2014R2 to 2014R2 SP2, Admin console
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> > >> requiresserver IP
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> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >> That seemed to be the trick.  Thank you all.  I have made note of
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> > that for
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> > >> my production system.
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> > >> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Gregg A. Hinchman <
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> > >> Gregg at hinchmanconsulting.com> wrote:
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> > >>>
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> > >>> Just another thought.  You know the MTA and POA agents can have the
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> > >>> network setting of DNS name instead of IP address.
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> > >>> I wonder if sp2 then made it mandatory if you want to use dns name
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> > for
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> > >>> admin console?
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> > >>> I know sp2 broke a few things...er...fixed...depending upon how you
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> > look
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> > >>> at it.  Past that not sure what happened.
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> > >>> Take Care.
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> > >>>
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> > >>
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> > >>> Gregg A. Hinchman, PMP
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> > >>
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> > >>>
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> > >>
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> > >>> Salesforce Certified Administrator
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> > >>>
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> > >>>
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> > >>
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> > >>> Gregg at HinchmanConsulting.com
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> > >>>
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> > >>
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> > >>> www.HinchmanConsulting.com
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> > >>
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> > >>>
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> > >>
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> > >>> 765.653.8099
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> > >>
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> > >>> "Courage is doing what is right."
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> > >>>>>>
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> > >>> From: Rhonda Richardson<kc0izr at gmail.com>
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> > >>> To:NGWList<ngw at ngwlist.com>
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> > >>
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> > >>> Date: 5/30/2017 11:49 AM
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> > >>
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> > >>> Subject: Re: [ngw] Upgrade from 2014R2 to 2014R2 SP2, Admin console
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> > >>> requiresserver IP
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> > >>>
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> > >>> My hosts file on the server has the IP address with the DNS entered
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> > >>> correctly:
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> > >>> 10.0.33.150     GWMAILDEVDC1.dfckc.com GWMAILDEVDC1
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> > >>> My MTA agent is configured with the IP Address and matches the above
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> > >>> Address.
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> > >>> Because this is a test system, all agents are running on a single
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> > server.
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> > >>> As I said, the DNS name was working prior to updating to 2014.2.2 on
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> > >>> Friday.  I can still access WebAccess using the DNS name, I just
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> > can't
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> > >>> access the Admin Console using the DNS name.
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> > >>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Gregg A. Hinchman <
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> > >>> Gregg at hinchmanconsulting.com> wrote:
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> > >>>> For lack of something else - hosts file?  Do you have the dns set
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> > there
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> > >>>
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> > >>>> with the ip for the domain?
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> > >>>> Remember most server dns/ip relationships are just that -server.
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> > Not
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> > >> GW
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> > >>>> domain.  And the admin console does a call to the MTA for the
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> > >>>> Gregg A. Hinchman, PMP
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> > >>>> Salesforce Certified Administrator
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> > >>>> Gregg at HinchmanConsulting.com
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> > >>>> www.HinchmanConsulting.com
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> > >>>> From: Rhonda Richardson<kc0izr at gmail.com>
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> > >>>> To:NGWList<ngw at ngwlist.com>
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> > >>>> Date: 5/30/2017 11:29 AM
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> > >>>> Subject: Re: [ngw] Upgrade from 2014R2 to 2014R2 SP2, Admin console
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> > >>>> requiresserver IP
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> > >>>>>>>> Rhonda Richardson <kc0izr at gmail.com> 5/30/2017 10:43 AM >>>
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> > >>>>> ngw at ngwlist.com
> > >>>>> http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw
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> > >>>> "Do not be bound to any doctrine, theory or ideology, even Buddhist
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> > >>>> All systems of thought are guiding means, not absolute truth."  —
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> > >>>> Nhat Hanh, Vietnamese monk.
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> > >>>> Skype: kc0izr
>
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> > >>>> Facebook: www.facebook.com/kc0izr
>
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>
> > >>>> ngw mailing list
>
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> > >>>
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> > >>>>
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> > >>>
>
> > >>
>
> > >>>> ngw at ngwlist.com
> > >>>> http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw
>
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> > >>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>>> ngw mailing list
>
> > >>
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>
>
> > >>>> ngw at ngwlist.com
> > >>>> http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw
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>
> > >>> “Only he who can see the invisible can do the impossible.”  — Frank
>
> > L.
>
> > >>
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>
>
> > >>> Gaines
>
> > >>
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>
>
> > >>> "Do not be bound to any doctrine, theory or ideology, even Buddhist
>
> > ones.
>
> > >>
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>
>
> > >>> All systems of thought are guiding means, not absolute truth."  —
>
> > Thich
>
> > >>
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>
>
> > >>> Nhat Hanh, Vietnamese monk.
>
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> > >>>
>
> > >>
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>
>
> > >>> Skype: kc0izr
>
> > >>
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>
>
> > >>> Facebook: www.facebook.com/kc0izr
>
> > >>
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>
>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
>
> > >>
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>
>
> > >>> ngw mailing list
>
> > >>
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>
>
> > >>> ngw at ngwlist.com
> > >>> http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw
>
>
>
> > >>
>
> > >>
>
> > >>
>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
>
> > >>
>
> > >>> ngw mailing list
>
> > >>
>
> > >>> ngw at ngwlist.com
> > >>> http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw
>
>
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>
> > >>
>
> > >> “Only he who can see the invisible can do the impossible.”  — Frank
>
> > L.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Gaines
>
> > >>
>
> > >> "Do not be bound to any doctrine, theory or ideology, even Buddhist
>
> > ones.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> All systems of thought are guiding means, not absolute truth."  —
>
> > Thich
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Nhat Hanh, Vietnamese monk.
>
> > >>
>
> > >>
>
> > >>
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Skype: kc0izr
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Facebook: www.facebook.com/kc0izr
>
> > >>
>
> > >> _______________________________________________
>
> > >>
>
> > >> ngw mailing list
>
> > >>
>
> > >> ngw at ngwlist.com
> > >> http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw
>
>
>
> > >> _______________________________________________
>
> > >> ngw mailing list
>
> > >> ngw at ngwlist.com
> > >> http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw
>
>
>
> > >>
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > --
>
> > >
>
> > > “Only he who can see the invisible can do the impossible.”  — Frank L.
>
> > > Gaines
>
> > > "Do not be bound to any doctrine, theory or ideology, even Buddhist
>
> > ones.
>
> > > All systems of thought are guiding means, not absolute truth."  —
>
> > Thich
>
> > > Nhat Hanh, Vietnamese monk.
>
> > >
>
> > > Skype: kc0izr
>
> > > Facebook: www.facebook.com/kc0izr
>
> > > _______________________________________________
>
> > > ngw mailing list
>
> > > ngw at ngwlist.com
> > > http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw
>
>
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > _______________________________________________
>
> > ngw mailing list
>
> > ngw at ngwlist.com
> > http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw
>
>
>
> >
>
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>
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>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
> “Only he who can see the invisible can do the impossible.”  — Frank L.
>
> Gaines
>
> "Do not be bound to any doctrine, theory or ideology, even Buddhist ones.
>
> All systems of thought are guiding means, not absolute truth."  — Thich
>
> Nhat Hanh, Vietnamese monk.
>
>
>
>
> Skype: kc0izr
>
> Facebook: www.facebook.com/kc0izr
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> ngw mailing list
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