[ngw] Upgrade from 2014R2 to 2014R2 SP2, Admin console requiresserver IP

Pam Robello pkrobello at gmail.com
Thu Jun 1 14:10:32 UTC 2017


hmmm, ok.  Thanks.  Back to the drawing board.



Pam


>>> Rhonda Richardson<kc0izr at gmail.com> 6/1/2017 8:07 AM >>>


In my case, it was not checked (nor is it now).




On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Pam Robello <pkrobello at gmail.com> wrote:




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> Hey there,

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> Sorry for coming late to the party but it's been a busy few days.  Do you

> have the Bind Exclusive box checked?  If so, uncheck it and see if you can

> then access the admin console either via the IP address or the DNS name

> again.

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> Pam

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> >>> Rhonda Richardson<kc0izr at gmail.com> 5/31/2017 9:23 AM >>>

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> No, in the Agent settings of the MTA, the TCP/IP Address was the IP

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> address.  With GroupWise 2014R2 (no sp) I could address the admin console

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> by name or IP and successfully log in, however, after the upgrade to SP2, I

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> was no longer able to log into the admin console when addressed by name,

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> only by IP address.

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> I changed the TCP/IP Address in the MTA to be the DNS name of the server

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> and I am no able to log into the admin console no matter how I address the

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> site again.

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> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 6:48 AM, Stephen Hesser <shesser at arandpartners.com

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> wrote:

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> > So the network settings changed from the dns entry to an ip address

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> > after the upgrade?

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> > Sent from my iPad

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> > > On May 30, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Rhonda Richardson <kc0izr at gmail.com>

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> > wrote:

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> > > Not that I saw when I read through it. Although, to be fair, my

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> > > is set up with DNS names and I wouldn't have hit this had I not gone

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> > > test.  My test system is still new, so I don't have it configured

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> > > Rhonda

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> > > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Gregg A. Hinchman <

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> > > Gregg at hinchmanconsulting.com> wrote:

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> > >> Great to hear!  Now we know there is a new mandatory feature in sp2.

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> > >> Take Care.

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> > >> Gregg A. Hinchman, PMP

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> > >> Salesforce Certified Administrator

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> > >> Gregg at HinchmanConsulting.com

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> > >> www.HinchmanConsulting.com

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> > >> 765.653.8099

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> > >> "Courage is doing what is right."

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> > >>>>>

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> > >> From: Rhonda Richardson<kc0izr at gmail.com>

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> > >> To:NGWList<ngw at ngwlist.com>

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> > >> Date: 5/30/2017 12:18 PM

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> > >> Subject: Re: [ngw] Upgrade from 2014R2 to 2014R2 SP2, Admin console

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> > >> requiresserver IP

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> > >> That seemed to be the trick.  Thank you all.  I have made note of

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> > >> my production system.

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> > >> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Gregg A. Hinchman <

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> > >> Gregg at hinchmanconsulting.com> wrote:

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> > >>> Just another thought.  You know the MTA and POA agents can have the

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> > >>> network setting of DNS name instead of IP address.

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> > >>> I wonder if sp2 then made it mandatory if you want to use dns name

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> > >>> admin console?

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> > >>> I know sp2 broke a few things...er...fixed...depending upon how you

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> > >>> Gregg A. Hinchman, PMP

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> > >>> Salesforce Certified Administrator

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> > >>> Gregg at HinchmanConsulting.com

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> > >>> From: Rhonda Richardson<kc0izr at gmail.com>

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> > >>> To:NGWList<ngw at ngwlist.com>

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> > >>> Date: 5/30/2017 11:49 AM

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> > >>> Subject: Re: [ngw] Upgrade from 2014R2 to 2014R2 SP2, Admin console

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> > >>> requiresserver IP

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> > >>> My hosts file on the server has the IP address with the DNS entered

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> > >>> Because this is a test system, all agents are running on a single

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> > >>> As I said, the DNS name was working prior to updating to 2014.2.2 on

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> > >>> Friday.  I can still access WebAccess using the DNS name, I just

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> > >>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Gregg A. Hinchman <

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> > >>> Gregg at hinchmanconsulting.com> wrote:

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> > >>>> For lack of something else - hosts file?  Do you have the dns set

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> > >>>> Remember most server dns/ip relationships are just that -server.

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> > >>>> domain.  And the admin console does a call to the MTA for the

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> > >>>> Gregg A. Hinchman, PMP

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> > >>>> Gregg at HinchmanConsulting.com

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> > >>>> From: Rhonda Richardson<kc0izr at gmail.com>

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> > >>>> To:NGWList<ngw at ngwlist.com>

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> > >>>> Date: 5/30/2017 11:29 AM

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> > >>>> Subject: Re: [ngw] Upgrade from 2014R2 to 2014R2 SP2, Admin console

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> > >>>>>>>> Rhonda Richardson <kc0izr at gmail.com> 5/30/2017 10:43 AM >>>

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> > >>>>> ngw at ngwlist.com
> > >>>>> http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw



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> > >>>> All systems of thought are guiding means, not absolute truth."  —

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> > >>>> Facebook: www.facebook.com/kc0izr

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> > >>>> ngw at ngwlist.com
> > >>>> http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw



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> > >>>> ngw mailing list

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> > >>>> ngw at ngwlist.com
> > >>>> http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw



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> > >>> “Only he who can see the invisible can do the impossible.”  — Frank

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> > >>>

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> > >>> Gaines

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>

> > >>> "Do not be bound to any doctrine, theory or ideology, even Buddhist

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> > >>> All systems of thought are guiding means, not absolute truth."  —

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> > >>> Nhat Hanh, Vietnamese monk.

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> > >>> Skype: kc0izr

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> > >>> ngw at ngwlist.com
> > >>> http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw



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> > >> “Only he who can see the invisible can do the impossible.”  — Frank

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> > >> "Do not be bound to any doctrine, theory or ideology, even Buddhist

>

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> > >> All systems of thought are guiding means, not absolute truth."  —

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> > >> Facebook: www.facebook.com/kc0izr

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>

> > >> _______________________________________________

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> > >> ngw mailing list

>

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>

> > >> ngw at ngwlist.com
> > >> http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw



>

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> > >> _______________________________________________

>

> > >> ngw mailing list

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> > >> ngw at ngwlist.com
> > >> http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw



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>

> > > Gaines

>

> > > "Do not be bound to any doctrine, theory or ideology, even Buddhist

>

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> > > All systems of thought are guiding means, not absolute truth."  —

>

> > Thich

>

> > > Nhat Hanh, Vietnamese monk.

>

> > >

>

> > > Skype: kc0izr

>

> > > Facebook: www.facebook.com/kc0izr

>

> > > _______________________________________________

>

> > > ngw mailing list

>

> > > ngw at ngwlist.com
> > > http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw



>

>

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> >

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> >

>

> > _______________________________________________

>

> > ngw mailing list

>

> > ngw at ngwlist.com
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> Gaines

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> All systems of thought are guiding means, not absolute truth."  — Thich

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> Nhat Hanh, Vietnamese monk.

>

>

>

>

> Skype: kc0izr

>

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