[ngw] Upgrade from 2014R2 to 2014R2 SP2, Admin console requiresserver IP

Stephen Hesser shesser at arandpartners.com
Wed May 31 11:48:21 UTC 2017


So the network settings changed from the dns entry to an ip address
after the upgrade?


Sent from my iPad

> On May 30, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Rhonda Richardson <kc0izr at gmail.com>
wrote:
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> Not that I saw when I read through it. Although, to be fair, my
production
> is set up with DNS names and I wouldn't have hit this had I not gone
to my
> test.  My test system is still new, so I don't have it configured
'just
> like' production.
> 
> Rhonda
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> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Gregg A. Hinchman <
> Gregg at hinchmanconsulting.com> wrote:
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>> Great to hear!  Now we know there is a new mandatory feature in sp2. 
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>> wonder if its noted in the Readme?
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>> Take Care.
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>> Gregg A. Hinchman, PMP
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>> Salesforce Certified Administrator
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>> Gregg at HinchmanConsulting.com
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>> "Courage is doing what is right."
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>> From: Rhonda Richardson<kc0izr at gmail.com>
>> To:NGWList<ngw at ngwlist.com>
>> Date: 5/30/2017 12:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ngw] Upgrade from 2014R2 to 2014R2 SP2, Admin console
>> requiresserver IP
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>> That seemed to be the trick.  Thank you all.  I have made note of
that for
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>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Gregg A. Hinchman <
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>>> Just another thought.  You know the MTA and POA agents can have the
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>>> network setting of DNS name instead of IP address.
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>>> I wonder if sp2 then made it mandatory if you want to use dns name
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>>> I know sp2 broke a few things...er...fixed...depending upon how you
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>>> Take Care.
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>>> Gregg A. Hinchman, PMP
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>>> From: Rhonda Richardson<kc0izr at gmail.com>
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>>> To:NGWList<ngw at ngwlist.com>
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>>> Date: 5/30/2017 11:49 AM
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>>> Subject: Re: [ngw] Upgrade from 2014R2 to 2014R2 SP2, Admin console
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>>> requiresserver IP
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>>> My hosts file on the server has the IP address with the DNS entered
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>>> correctly:
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>>> 10.0.33.150     GWMAILDEVDC1.dfckc.com GWMAILDEVDC1
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>>> My MTA agent is configured with the IP Address and matches the above
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>>> Because this is a test system, all agents are running on a single
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>>> As I said, the DNS name was working prior to updating to 2014.2.2 on
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>>> Friday.  I can still access WebAccess using the DNS name, I just
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>>> access the Admin Console using the DNS name.
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>>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Gregg A. Hinchman <
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>>> Gregg at hinchmanconsulting.com> wrote:
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>>>> For lack of something else - hosts file?  Do you have the dns set
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>>>> with the ip for the domain?
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>>>> Remember most server dns/ip relationships are just that -server. 
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>>>> Or something far worse....~shudder.
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>>>> From: Rhonda Richardson<kc0izr at gmail.com>
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>>>> To:NGWList<ngw at ngwlist.com>
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>>>> Date: 5/30/2017 11:29 AM
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>>>> Subject: Re: [ngw] Upgrade from 2014R2 to 2014R2 SP2, Admin console
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>>>> requiresserver IP
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>>>> Yes, and tried different browsers and different PCs (that had never
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>>>>> -jt
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>>>>>>>> Rhonda Richardson <kc0izr at gmail.com> 5/30/2017 10:43 AM >>>
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>>>>> Updated Java and still no joy.  How would Java be the issue if it
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>>>>> using the IP address and not the DNS name?
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>>>>>> Heiko
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>>>>>>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht
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>>>>>> Von: kc0izr at gmail.com
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>>>>>> Gesendet: 30. Mai 2017 3:35 nachm.
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>>>>>> Antworten: ngw at ngwlist.com
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>>>>>> Betreff: [ngw] Upgrade from 2014R2 to 2014R2 SP2, Admin console
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>>>>>> When I try to use the DNS name, I get the error:
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>>>>>> Failed to get data from the admin service.
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>>>>>> TIA.
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>>> “Only he who can see the invisible can do the impossible.”  — Frank
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>>> "Do not be bound to any doctrine, theory or ideology, even Buddhist
ones.
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>>> All systems of thought are guiding means, not absolute truth."  —
Thich
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>>> Nhat Hanh, Vietnamese monk.
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>>> Skype: kc0izr
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>> “Only he who can see the invisible can do the impossible.”  — Frank
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>> Gaines
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>> "Do not be bound to any doctrine, theory or ideology, even Buddhist
ones.
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>> All systems of thought are guiding means, not absolute truth."  —
Thich
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>> Nhat Hanh, Vietnamese monk.
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>> Skype: kc0izr
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>> Facebook: www.facebook.com/kc0izr
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> Gaines
> "Do not be bound to any doctrine, theory or ideology, even Buddhist
ones.
> All systems of thought are guiding means, not absolute truth."  —
Thich
> Nhat Hanh, Vietnamese monk.
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