[ngw] Upgrade from 2014R2 to 2014R2 SP2, Admin console requiresserver IP

Rhonda Richardson kc0izr at gmail.com
Wed May 31 16:35:32 UTC 2017


That is what mine was doing if I closed the error box.

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 11:24 AM, David Krotil <David.Krotil at hilo.cz> wrote:

> That´s very strange, I have problem to login into admin console very
> long time ( even with IP address ) and only solution was opening admin
> console in private window. After login in there was only spinning wheel.
>
>
> David
>
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> >>> Rhonda Richardson <kc0izr at gmail.com> 31.05.2017 17:23 >>>
> No, in the Agent settings of the MTA, the TCP/IP Address was the IP
> address.  With GroupWise 2014R2 (no sp) I could address the admin
> console
> by name or IP and successfully log in, however, after the upgrade to
> SP2, I
> was no longer able to log into the admin console when addressed by
> name,
> only by IP address.
>
> I changed the TCP/IP Address in the MTA to be the DNS name of the
> server
> and I am no able to log into the admin console no matter how I address
> the
> site again.
>
> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 6:48 AM, Stephen Hesser
> <shesser at arandpartners.com>
> wrote:
>
> > So the network settings changed from the dns entry to an ip address
> > after the upgrade?
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On May 30, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Rhonda Richardson <kc0izr at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Not that I saw when I read through it. Although, to be fair, my
> > production
> > > is set up with DNS names and I wouldn't have hit this had I not
> gone
> > to my
> > > test.  My test system is still new, so I don't have it configured
> > 'just
> > > like' production.
> > >
> > > Rhonda
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Gregg A. Hinchman <
> > > Gregg at hinchmanconsulting.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Great to hear!  Now we know there is a new mandatory feature in
> sp2.
> > I
> > >> wonder if its noted in the Readme?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Take Care.
> > >>
> > >> Gregg A. Hinchman, PMP
> > >>
> > >> Salesforce Certified Administrator
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Gregg at HinchmanConsulting.com
> > >>
> > >> www.HinchmanConsulting.com
> > >>
> > >> 765.653.8099
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Courage is doing what is right."
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>>>
> > >> From: Rhonda Richardson<kc0izr at gmail.com>
> > >> To:NGWList<ngw at ngwlist.com>
> > >> Date: 5/30/2017 12:18 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [ngw] Upgrade from 2014R2 to 2014R2 SP2, Admin
> console
> > >> requiresserver IP
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> That seemed to be the trick.  Thank you all.  I have made note of
> > that for
> > >>
> > >> my production system.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Gregg A. Hinchman <
> > >>
> > >> Gregg at hinchmanconsulting.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> Just another thought.  You know the MTA and POA agents can have
> the
> > >>
> > >>> network setting of DNS name instead of IP address.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> I wonder if sp2 then made it mandatory if you want to use dns
> name
> > for
> > >>
> > >>> admin console?
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> I know sp2 broke a few things...er...fixed...depending upon how
> you
> > look
> > >>
> > >>> at it.  Past that not sure what happened.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> Take Care.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> Gregg A. Hinchman, PMP
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> Salesforce
> Certified Administrator
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> Gregg at HinchmanConsulting.com
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> www.HinchmanConsulting.com
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> 765.653.8099
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> "Courage is doing what is right."
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>
> > >>> From: Rhonda Richardson<kc0izr at gmail.com>
> > >>
> > >>> To:NGWList<ngw at ngwlist.com>
> > >>
> > >>> Date: 5/30/2017 11:49 AM
> > >>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [ngw] Upgrade from 2014R2 to 2014R2 SP2, Admin
> console
> > >>
> > >>> requiresserver IP
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> My hosts file on the server has the IP address with the DNS
> entered
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> correctly:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> 10.0.33.150        GWMAILDEVDC1.dfckc.com GWMAILDEVDC1
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> My MTA agent is configured with the IP Address and matches the
> above
> > IP
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> Address.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> Because this is a test system, all agents are running on a
> single
> > server.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> As I said, the DNS name was working prior to updating to 2014.2.2
> on
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> Friday.  I can still access WebAccess using the DNS name, I just
> > can't
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> access the Admin Console using the DNS name.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Gregg A. Hinchman <
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> Gregg at hinchmanconsulting.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> For lack of something else - hosts file?  Do you have the dns
> set
> > there
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> with the ip for the domain?
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> Remember most server dns/ip relationships are just that
> -server.
> > Not
> > >> GW
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> domain.  And the admin console does a call to the MTA for the
> > domain on
> > >>
> > >>> the
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>> Or its just not listed in hosts.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> Or something far worse....~shudder.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> Take Care.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> Gregg A. Hinchman, PMP
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> Salesforce Certified Administrator
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> Gregg at HinchmanConsulting.com
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> www.HinchmanConsulting.com
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> 765.653.8099
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> "Courage is doing what is right."
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> From: Rhonda Richardson<kc0izr at gmail.com>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> To:NGWList<ngw at ngwlist.com>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> Date: 5/30/2017 11:29 AM
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [ngw] Upgrade from 2014R2 to 2014R2 SP2, Admin
> console
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> requiresserver IP
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> Yes, and tried different browsers and different PCs (that had
> never
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> accessed it before).
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >
> >>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 10:19 AM, James Taylor <
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>> I assume you cleared cache on the browser?
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>> -jt
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>> James Taylor
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>> 678-697-9420
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>> james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>>>> Rhonda Richardson <kc0izr at gmail.com> 5/30/2017 10:43 AM >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>> Updated Java and still no joy.  How would Java be the issue if
> it
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>> works
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>> using the IP address and not the DNS name?
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 9:02 AM, <h.talarek at htns.de> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> Hi,
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> upgrade Java on server.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> Heiko
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> Von: kc0izr at gmail.com
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> Gesendet: 30. Mai 2017 3:35 nachm.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> An:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> Antworten: ngw at ngwlist.com
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> Betreff: [ngw] Upgrade from 2014R2 to 2014R2 SP2, Admin
> console
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>> requires
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> server IP
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> When I try to use the DNS name, I get the error:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> *
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> Failed to get data from the admin service.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> Type 'com.google.gwt.user.client.rpc.XsrfToken' was not
> > assignable
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>> to
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> 'com.google.gwt.user.client.rpc.IsSerializable' and did not
> have
> > a
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> custom
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> field serializer. For security purposes, this type will not
> be
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> deserialized.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> This was working prior to applying SP2.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> Anyone have ideas or experience?
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> TIA.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >
> >
> > >>>>>> Rhonda
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> “Only he who can see the invisible can do the impossible.”  —
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>> Frank L.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> Gaines
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> "Do not be bound to any doctrine, theory or ideology, even
> > Buddhist
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> ones.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> All systems of thought are guiding means, not absolute truth."
>> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>> Thich
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> Nhat Hanh, Vietnamese monk.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> Skype: kc0izr
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> Facebook: www.facebook.com/kc0izr
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> ngw mailing list
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> ngw at ngwlist.com
> > >>>>>> http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw
>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >>>>>>
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> ngw mailing list
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>> ngw at ngwlist.com
> > >>>>>> http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw
>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
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> > >>>
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> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>>
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> > >>>>> “Only he who can see the invisible can do the impossible.”  —
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>> Frank L.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>> Gaines
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>> "Do not be bound to any doctrine, theory or ideology, even
> > Buddhist
> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >>
> > >>>>> ones.
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> > >>>>> All systems of thought are guiding means, not absolute truth."
>> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >>
> > >>>>> Thich
> > >>
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> > >>>>> Nhat Hanh, Vietnamese monk.
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> > >>>>> ngw at ngwlist.com
> > >>>>> http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw
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> > >>>> “Only he who can see the invisible can do the impossible.”  —
> Frank
> > L.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
>
> > >>
> > >>>> Gaines
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> "Do not be bound to any doctrine, theory or ideology, even
> Buddhist
> > >> ones.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> All systems of thought are guiding means, not absolute truth."
>> > Thich
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> Nhat Hanh, Vietnamese monk.
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> > >>
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> > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>
> > >>>
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> > >>>>
> > >>
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> > >>>> ngw mailing list
> > >>
> > >>>
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> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> ngw at ngwlist.com
> > >>>> http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw
>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> ngw mailing list
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>> ngw at ngwlist.com
> > >>>> http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw
>
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> “Only he who can see the invisible can do the impossible.”  —
> Frank
> > L.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> Gaines
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> "Do not be bound to any doctrine, theory or ideology, even
> Buddhist
> > ones.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> All systems of thought are guiding means, not absolute truth."
>> > Thich
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> Nhat Hanh, Vietnamese monk.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> Skype: kc0izr
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> Facebook: www.facebook.com/kc0izr
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>> ngw mailing list
> > >>
> > >>>
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> > >>> ngw at ngwlist.com
> > >>> http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw
>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>
> > >>> ngw mailing list
> > >>
> > >>> ngw at ngwlist.com
> > >>> http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw
>
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >>>
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> “Only he who can see the invisible can do the impossible.”  —
> Frank
> > L.
> > >>
> > >> Gaines
> > >>
> > >> "Do not be bound to any doctrine, theory or ideology, even
> Buddhist
> > ones.
> > >>
> > >> All systems of thought are guiding means, not absolute truth."  —
> > Thich
> > >>
> > >> Nhat Hanh, Vietnamese monk.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Skype: kc0izr
> > >>
> > >> Facebook: www.facebook.com/kc0izr
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >>
> > >> ngw mailing list
> > >>
> > >> ngw at ngwlist.com
> > >> http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw
>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> ngw mailing list
> > >> ngw at ngwlist.com
> > >> http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw
>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > “Only he who can see the invisible can do the impossible.”  — Frank
> L.
> > > Gaines
> > > "Do not be bound to any doctrine, theory or ideology, even
> Buddhist
> > ones.
> > > All systems of thought are guiding means, not absolute truth."  —
> > Thich
> > > Nhat Hanh, Vietnamese monk.
> > >
> > > Skype: kc0izr
> > > Facebook: www.facebook.com/kc0izr
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ngw mailing list
> > > ngw at ngwlist.com
> > > http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw
>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ngw mailing list
> > ngw at ngwlist.com
> > http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw
>
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> “Only he who can see the invisible can do the impossible.”  — Frank L.
> Gaines
> "Do not be bound to any doctrine, theory or ideology, even Buddhist
> ones.
> All systems of thought are guiding means, not absolute truth."  —
>
> Thich
> Nhat Hanh, Vietnamese monk.
>
> Skype: kc0izr
> Facebook: www.facebook.com/kc0izr
> _______________________________________________
> ngw mailing list
> ngw at ngwlist.com
> http://ngwlist.com/mailman/listinfo/ngw
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


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Gaines
"Do not be bound to any doctrine, theory or ideology, even Buddhist ones.
All systems of thought are guiding means, not absolute truth."  — Thich
Nhat Hanh, Vietnamese monk.

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