[ngw] GW 18.1 Complaints
JBrugaletta at braytonlaw.com
Tue Nov 13 18:16:38 UTC 2018
They changed the Find feature in 18.1? Uh oh.. this sounds like a deal
breaker to me.. until we are ever able to get all these documents out of
>>> "Gregg A. Hinchman" <Gregg at HinchmanConsulting.com> 11/13/2018 7:21
OH MAN!!! This is a thread I can really get into! And because of it,
you all make me want to back rev my client to 14.
First, I use the GW client as a stand alone pop/imap and have for more
than 12 years. I love it! And to this day I cannot find a single email
client that is generally speaking as clean and easy to use and work in.
All these clients today are just too noisy/messy.
Second, I CANNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOTTTTT stand the 'threading' in the GW 18
client. I go to Sent Items to review an email I sent and I get so lost
in what is there. Again, its chaos rising from the ashes of order. It
use to be that you open a Sent Item and you could see the chain of what
you Sent. Now it does something -heck I am just flustered trying to
describe it- different and lacking in order.
In the Mailbox, and elsewhere I turned off Threading and all the other
'stuff' they created because its noise. It takes away from the work I am
trying to do -focus on email.
Heck I don't even want to see the 'number' they place next to an email.
Why do I care what number in a thread there are? I care about the
I do like that 'color' came back to the client. I disliked the
black/white days. So boring. And I appreciate there is a 'GroupWise
14' button to get me 'sort of back' to where i want to be.
My big question is do the DEV and the GUI people do focus groups? If so
what people are they using?
Then there is the Mac issue. I run and have run on a Mac for years.
Cannot say enough about Mac and its performance. But for me to keep
using a good client, I have to use a Fusion Win VM just for my GW
client. Dedication on my part for sure. Heck I am even moving away
completely from Windows even in vm format with Mac OS being preferred
for vpn and other such things. But that is a different thread.
Looks like I am back rev'ing to GW14 client.
Gregg A. Hinchman, PMP
Gregg at HinchmanConsulting.com
"Courage is doing what is right."
From: Danita Zanre<dzanre.ngwlist at gmail.com>
To:<ngw at ngwlist.com>; NGWList<ngw at ngwlist.com>
Date: 11/13/2018 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: [ngw] GW 18.1 Complaints
I’m not a big GW client user, being a Mac and all. Of course RIGHT
AFTER 18.1 was released, I had a use case for needing the GW client
(searching for and exporting a number of my messages in PDF format).
The new search is exactly as Marvin complains about and the only way I
could get the work done was to save my search as a folder, which was
then easy to go back and edit for date ranges, etc. I’d love a way to
get the “old functionality” back as an option!
Danita Zanrè, Move Out of the Office
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On Nov 12, 2018, 9:02 PM +0100, Pam Robello <pkrobello at gmail.com>,
> Hi Marvin,
> My answers / opinions are below your comments.
> > > > Marvin Huffaker<mhuffaker at redjuju.com> 11/12/2018 12:41 PM >>>
> I really dislike the following in the GroupWise 18.1 build:
> 1) The new colors on the WebAccess splash screen. They look like a
throwback to the horrible color scheme of gw2012 (Before they switched
back to Novell Red and then over to Attachmate Blue before finally going
to Micro Focus Blue with 18.x). Also the contrast is off and the "gear"
icon for the settings is barely visible. Also, I have to go rebuild any
custom logos that I put in using the previous color of blue, and change
it to work with the new color. I'm unclear what the issue was with the
previous color scheme, I thought it was actually one of the better ones.
More time and resources should be spent on system stability issues (POA
Crashes) instead of frivolous color changes.
> I have to admit that I haven't any strong feelings about this one way
or the other. I don't use WA enough for it to annoy me.
> 2) The revised FIND function. The original way to find via CTRL-F
brings up this limited dialog box that is difficult to use and doesn't
include the ability to easily choose a date, nor does it even have the
option to choose certain folders to look in. I have to click "More
Options" to bring up the old dialog and do the search. Then after I
choose the options I need and hit okay (On the original find dialog), it
switches out of the dialog and brings up the results in the new dialog
in my main window. It's very clicky and cumbersome and not very
functional at all. And once I've seen my results, I can't easily modify
it to search for other criteria, (For example, change the date range)
because the option has been taken away from the results dialog
completely. I can't find a way to even get back to my original query
screen without starting over. While I appreciate the fact that I can get
to the Older style dialog, I despise the fact that in the process of
doing a simple f
> ind, I'm required to switch back and forth between new and old
dialogs multiple times. And I have to start over completely if I want to
modify something as simple as the date range.
> I have been struggling with this one as well. Engineering has fixed
some of the issues I have found but not others. I am finding that with
more use I am getting used to it. I can't say that I am liking it yet
but I am getting used to it. If you find issues with it, let us know and
we can get them reported to engineering. They have been very keen on
getting quirky stuff fixed quickly.
> 3) The Smart Sizer thing on the QuickViewer. I don't need my screen
jumping around back and forth with each message I select. Just like the
Message Threading that was introduced in 18.0, I immediately turned this
function off to avoid going insane.
> Ok, I have to admit I am totally with you on the Smart Sizer. I don't
use QV as a rule but I did have to turn it on last week to duplicate an
issue for a customer and having the window move all over with the size
of the message was beyond annoying. This one can be turned off globally
by pushing out a registry setting change with something ZEN. I have been
using Message Threading and while I don't love it yet, I am liking it
more and more. This one ca be turned off globally by going into client
options at the domain or the post office level, on the general settings
and uncheck Enable conversation threading. You can also lock it at the
domain or post office level so the user won't be able to turn it on.
> 4) The new Options Buttons that were introduced in 18.0 and just
starting to make sense and become understood by the masses have suddenly
been replaced with an even more confusing Gear Icon and a drop down with
too many options that are even more confusing. I do like the functions
presented with the "Main Window Settings" , but that is really confusing
because then there is also a "Mailbox Display Settings" with the
original dialog options introduced in gw18. It's confusing to have two
different locations for functions that could easily be grouped
> This is another one that I didn't use often enough in 18.0.x to form
an opinion. I have been using the 18.1 client for much longer so I have
gotten used to it there. I do like that it is under the Gear icon but I
can see where users would find it more difficult to use
> 5) And I don't like how many of these new options cannot be
controlled globally, but must be configured at each workstation
individually. Customers have been asking for the ability to standardize
and customize the look and feel from a global level for years, and
GroupWise team continues to ignore this with every release while adding
in even more options that can't be controlled globally.
> This is another one where I am with you 100%. Some options you can't
change without a visit to every workstation. Some you can change by
pushing out a registry setting change while others you can change in the
admin console. I wish we could change every setting in the admin console
but that has yet to come about. I know that people put in enhancement
requests for it with every version so hopefully one of these days.....
> Marvin Huffaker
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